episode 74: Part 2: The Big Lie – Part Two of my conversation with Diana West and Frank Gaffney


Join me on The Bill Walton Show as Diana West and Frank Gaffney tell a vivid and chilling story about the machinations to end the Trump Presidency.



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Diana West

Diana West is an award-winning journalist and the author of The Red Thread: A Search for Ideological Drivers Inside the Anti-Trump Conspiracy (Center for Security Policy Press, 2019), American Betr ...


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Frank Gaffney

Frank J. Gaffney Jr. (born 5 April 1953) is an American anti- Muslim conspiracy theorist and the founder and president of the Center for Security Policy. In the 1970s and 1980s he worked in various ...


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Join me on The Bill Walton Show as Diana West and Frank Gaffney tell a vivid and chilling story about the machinations to end the Trump Presidency.

It’s quite a story, a work of fiction, if it weren’t playing out in real life. Shakespeare’s Henry VIII, his most crowded play, had a cast of 71 characters. This story has 100s in the headlines, with 1,000s of other actors behind the scenes and more emerging every day.

Although the U.S. Senate voted to acquit President Trump against impeachment charges, expect this drama to continue, a story whose end has yet to be written.

And as Diana says, “the plot is very thick.”

“There’s a timeline here, a narrative that starts about the time the Democrats became aware the Democratic National Committee servers were compromised, and that launched a whole series of coverups.”

And then came the Big Lie: Russia hacked the DNC to help Donald Trump into the White House. “Let’s see if we can get people thinking that not only is Russia involved, but that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians, and then subsequently with the Ukrainians, to try to somehow influence our elections ”

(The “big lie” technique goes back a long way to Soviet Russia in the 1930s. Robert Conquest, the great historian, coined the term “big lie” for Stalin’s claim that he was not starving millions of people to death in the Ukraine. Ukraine, again!)

The cast of characters and plots include Debbie Wasserman Schulz, Pakistanis nationals working for the DNC, Glenn Simpson, Hillary Clinton, Carter Page, James Comey, Fusion GPS, Christopher Steele and his Dossier, Julian Assange, the murder of Seth Rich, John Brennan, the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation, CrowdStrike and on and on and on…

“I mean, this, the connections here are so braided. It’s like they’re all walking around linked, and no one notices. They’ve all got their arms linked.” Diana says.

Now that FBI Director Christopher Wray has admitted that the FISA Warrants and the surveillance of the Trump campaign were illegal, everyone should be asking: what’s really happening in this country, who are behind these events, and what are the drivers? How deeply is the American intelligence community involved? And especially, who benefits?

We have had “Russia.” “Mueller.” “Ukraine.” Now with impeachment temporarily over, what is the next “Big Lie” going to be?

As Diana says, “when you start realizing that domestic political opposition is now coming under surveillance by these powerful, powerful entities, and, given what we know about every American coming under surveillance in terms of our electronic communications being preserved, logged, it’s horrifying.”

Join me as Diana and Frank tell the story.



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